most americans are law abiding. we're talking about a very distinct group of criminals who are mostly recidivists. they commit one ability of violence after another, and to think that a normal person who clears the background checks to buy guns in this country, that everybody has to take when they buy a gun from a dealer, to think they're suddenly going to become a wild-eyed criminal and kill people, i mean, that's mind boggling. there's normal people and then there's the criminal case. >> all right, elliot, stephen, thanks for being with us this evening. would you turn your gun in for a gift card to target? up next, we're going to talk to a man who managed to get a cache of guns off the street. >>> we'll talk about this sheriff who says he'll refuse to comply with any directive from vice-president joe biden regarding the passage of gun laws that he believes would harm law-abiding citizens. >> we'd offer money, concert tickets, sneakers, anything to get guns off the street. no questions asked. i'm joined now by past